Calibration for analog sensor (voltage, resistance and NTC sensors)

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Re: Calibration for analog sensor (voltage, resistance and NTC sensors)

Postby ArT » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:46 am

It is for diesel common-rail engines (fuel pressure various from ~300 bar up to ~2000 bar).

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Re: Calibration for analog sensor (voltage, resistance and NTC sensors)

Postby Daily_Driver » Sun Dec 18, 2016 1:08 pm

Kaldek wrote:Why does the UTCOMP factor in the fuel pressure reading? The fuel pressure regulator ensures that the relative pressure in the fuel rail is always the same, so that the fuel delivered per injector pulse is always constant.

I just don't see why the UTCOMP would factor in the rail pressure. It makes no sense - no ECU factors in rail pressure for fuel consumption calculation, so why does UTCOMP?

In my case (larger injectors with an OEM ECU), I have a rising rate fuel pressure regulator. As boost increases, so does the pressure, and it goes above the 1:1 of the OEM regulator. The higher pressure results in more fuel flow. Conversely, I have to turn down the base pressure to less than half of OEM (22 vs 55 PSI) to attain OEM flow rates.

Again in my case, being able to log the fuel pressure as well as boost and RPM will help me to tune the rising rate regulator.
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Re: Calibration for analog sensor (voltage, resistance and NTC sensors)

Postby Daily_Driver » Mon Feb 06, 2017 4:45 am

I have received my device and have completed wiring it. I have a question about the NTC oil temperature sensor. On my spreadsheet, I cannot get accuracy closer than +/- 5 degrees over the range of 50-150C (122-302F). My sensor ohm range is 992 (50) to 48.1 (150), and for 5.2V using A=130 t=1.02 T0=42 I'm off by -4 @ 50, +5 @ 70, and then +9 @ 150. The closest it gets is +1 @ 90. I have input a lot of different values and can't get as close as I'd like.

I'm not a spreadsheet expert. Are there any tips for making the curve closer to my thermistor? It seems like there should be some type of formula to calculate optimum values for all three.
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Re: Calibration for analog sensor (voltage, resistance and NTC sensors)

Postby ArT » Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:42 am

Could you share all resistance table? 992 - 48 ohm for ~100C it is ~950ohm difference and it is very low range. For example, this oil temperature sensor has ~17000 ohm difference for this range (with higher value in range you can get better accuracy).

There is also "Origin" software which can calculate these 3 parameters. Please share your resistance/temperature table.

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Re: Calibration for analog sensor (voltage, resistance and NTC sensors)

Postby Daily_Driver » Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:57 pm

Here's the entire table

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C        F     Resistance
-40   -40   102,122
-35   -31   73,340
-30   -22   53,249
-25   -13   39,064
-20   -4   28,939
-15   5   21,637
-10   14   16,321
-5   23   12,413
0   32   9,516
5   41   7,354
10   50   5,728
15   59   4,496
20   68   3,555
25   77   2,830
30   86   2,268
35   95   1,828
40   104   1,483
45   113   1,210
50   122   992
55   131   819
60   140   679
65   149   566
70   158   475
75   167   400
80   176   338
85   185   287
90   194   244.8
95   203   209.7
100   212   180.3
105   221   155.6
110   230   134.7
115   239   117.1
120   248   102.2
125   257   89.4
130   266   78.5
135   275   69.1
140   284   61.1
145   293   54.1
150   302   48.1
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Re: Calibration for analog sensor (voltage, resistance and NTC sensors)

Postby ArT » Tue Feb 07, 2017 2:27 pm

It will be quite hard to scale it for low value temperatures because this sensor has typical NTC characteristic above ~60C
I assume that you need it for oil temperature, so I scaled it for 80C range (from 65C to 145C)
A = 120 t=0,77 T0 = 58

please take a look at error column:
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Your values are also not bad - it will be less accurate for crytical values but you have scaled it for wider range.
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Excel in attachment.
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At the moment I do not have access to origin software but I'll check it on origin as soon as I'll have access to this software.

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Re: Calibration for analog sensor (voltage, resistance and NTC sensors)

Postby Daily_Driver » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:11 am

Thank you for the info ArT. I have downloaded the trial version and know nothing about using it. I'm trying to see if the proper thing to use is a "Non-linear curve fit" tool.

If I figure out what to do, I'll post here for future reference.
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Re: Calibration for analog sensor (voltage, resistance and NTC sensors)

Postby ArT » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:23 pm

Updated UTCOMP calculators for v3.5 version (UTCOMP update soon)
NTC calibration is now simplified.

Please note that all above posts & questions are for older calculator (<= v3.4)

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Re: Calibration for analog sensor (voltage, resistance and NTC sensors)

Postby tmckeown » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:14 pm

Hi,

Has anyone installed autometer gauges and calibrated Reveltronics to those sensors?
I have connected reveltronics to my automater water temperature gauge and gauge shows 80 degrees celsius when I put ignition on.
It is connected to advcc port

Timo

Psi
0 = 250 ohms
25 = 158 ohms
50 = 111 ohms
75 = 75 ohms
100 = 43 ohms

Temperature
38 C = 1123 ohms
49 C = 708
66 C = 374
88 C = 175
100 C = 119
120 C = 65

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Re: Calibration for analog sensor (voltage, resistance and NTC sensors)

Postby ArT » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:20 am

Is it connected only to UTCOMP AdcVccX ports?
Or is it connected also to other gauge?


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